Messiah and the Temple of God

tallit_templeThe re-building will begin when the Messiah comes. This Third Temple will be on the Temple Mount, exactly where it previously stood. In fact, Maimonides writes that one sign that the Messiah is the real Messiah (and not an imposter) will be when he re-builds the Temple on the Temple Mount.

“Rebuilding the Temple”
Commentary on Tisha B’ Av
Aish.com

Belief in the coming of the Messiah has always been a fundamental part of both Judaism and Christianity. The Hebrew word for Messiah, Mashiach or Moshiach, means anointed, as does the Greek word, christos. Thus in Christianity, Christ is just another word for the Messiah. Much has been written about Jesus as the Messiah within the Christian realm, but little information has been publicized to the uninformed Jewish community concerning the coming of a Messiah, whom all we know about is that he will be a direct descendant of king David. Although Jesus has been proposed by Christianity to be such a descendant, Judaism does not accept Christ as their savior or king. Because the Messiah cannot be separated from God’s Third Temple and because God’s Third Temple is destined for all people…

“Coming of the Messiah”
ThirdTempleInfo.org

“For thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

Jeremiah 33:17-18 (ESV)

In some parts of religious Judaism, one of the very strongly held beliefs is that when the Messiah comes, he will rebuild the Temple on its original site in Jerusalem. In fact, Jewish “anti-missionaries” use the current lack of the Jerusalem Temple as “proof” that Jesus couldn’t have been the Messiah (since if he was, he would have rebuilt it 2,000 years ago).

More than that, according to the Judaism 101 website, the Messiah will do many important things.

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Also, according to AskNoah.org, Gentiles will be able to worship in the rebuilt Temple.

Torah Law holds that Gentiles are allowed to bring burnt offerings to G-d in the Temple when it is standing in Jerusalem. There is a specific commandment to let us know that an animal (sheep, goat or bullock) offered in the Temple by a Gentile must be unblemished, to the same degree as the offering of a Jew. (Leviticus 22:25)

The same website citing the prophet Isaiah, declares that in the days of the Third Temple, Gentiles will be able to take on a greater role than in previous eras.

“And it will come to pass at the end of days that the mountain of G-d’s House will be firmly established, even higher than the peaks, and all the peoples will flow toward it as a river. And many nations will go and will cry, ‘Let us go up toward the mountain of G-d’s House, to the House of the L-rd of Jacob, and we will learn from His ways and walk in His paths, for out of Zion goes forth Torah and the word of G-d from Jerusalem.’ ”

Isaiah 2:2-3

But why am I writing about this?

It’s come up on more than one occasion at the church I attend, that certain things have changed because of Jesus. Since I’m kind of sensitive to the spectre of supersessionism (also called “replacement theology” or “fulfillment theology”), what has and hasn’t changed always gets my attention. Both in the Pastor’s message and in Sunday school, one piece of information I’ve heard is that before Jesus came, worship of God was confined to the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, and after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, worship of God was no longer confined to a specific, geographic location.

You can see that this might present a problem if you also believed the Messiah was supposed to rebuild the Temple upon his return. Would that mean a step backward? Would our “freedom” to worship anywhere be revoked and Jerusalem once again become the locus for religious control and sacrifice to God?

old-city-jerusalemWell, yes and no. Frankly, it’s not that clear cut. We know that even during the Second Temple era, synagogues and centers for prayer (not always the same things) were available for Jews. After all, Jewish people were scattered not only all over Israel in those days, but across the civilized portions of the Earth. Recall the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40) who likely was a Jew on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. It would have been difficult for most of world’s Jewish population to travel to the Jerusalem Temple every time they wanted an encounter with God. It was very likely that there was provision for both individual and communal prayer for Jews, so the Temple wasn’t literally the only place of worship.

Of course to obey the mitzvot, Jews were obligated to travel to Jerusalem on certain occasions including the moadim and particularly for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, but while extremely important, it wouldn’t have been possible for all Jews because it would require leaving home and undertaking lengthy journeys several times a year. While we don’t have much information on him, it’s likely that the Jewish Ethiopian had made only one 1,200 mile long trip between his country to Jerusalem when Philip encountered him. In those days, a trip of such length over land could have taken up to two months, so it wasn’t the “quick dash” it would be by car or plane in our day and age.

Also, looking forward, we have this.

Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths. And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. And if the family of Egypt does not go up and present themselves, then on them there shall be no rain; there shall be the plague with which the Lord afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Booths. This shall be the punishment to Egypt and the punishment to all the nations that do not go up to keep the Feast of Booths.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (ESV)

It would be very difficult for the representatives of all of the nations of the world to observe Shavuot (Feast of Booths) in Jerusalem if there were no existing Temple.

It is true that John writes in Revelation 21:22 that he saw no Temple in the city, presumably New Jerusalem, but there are vast periods of time being described in his recording of his vision, so we can’t use that one verse as evidence that the Third Temple will never be built by Messiah after his coming (return).

So what’s the big deal?

Only that the birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus the Messiah may not have (permanently) changed as much as we might think it did. The church may ultimately have to integrate a more Jewish perspective of Messiah than we previously have. Yes, many of us think we’ve done a pretty good job at “rediscovering the Jewish Jesus,” but I don’t think the majority of us have truly engaged the reality of what that actually means.

I’m not criticizing Pastor Randy or anyone at the church I attend (and I know Pastor Randy sometimes reads my blog), but I am suggesting that at least in this one area, Christ may not have changed what we think he changed. Unfortunately, many Christians take the idea of what Jesus did to Judaism a little too dogmatically and treat Jews, Judaism, and Jewish Holy sites quite poorly, as this commentary I received on Facebook attests.

I have been at the Wall, Jews Holiest Place, and seen bus loads of tourist arrive. Even I cringed at the sight of shorts, halter tops, men with out shirts, cameras and water bottles in tow. I have seen the garbage left behind. I have heard the ‘chatter’ at the Face of the Wall and observed the frivolity of trying to place a paper prayer ‘for a friend’ in the highest unreachable crack. (a paradise for rock climbers). I have heard prayers for ‘the Jews to be saved”….I have stood by women ‘claiming the place in the name of Jesus”.

Jerusalem, to include the Wall, is not an International place of holiness. Once the sacredness of the place is removed it becomes one more place to be trashed. The fact that the Reform movement, Women at the Wall and other such groups are irritated that ‘they’ can not make the rules and regulations simply indicates their dislike for the Ultra-Orthodox. One side may be Extreme but the otherside opens the door to Liberal attitudes and the slippery slope to “so what, this is just another wall!”

christian-at-the-kotelThe analysis seems kind of harsh but then again, it’s probably justified given how casually and callously some people treat this Jewish Holy place.

To you and me, the Kotel may not have the same meaning, but for most religious Jews (and Jesus and all his apostles were and are religious Jews), it is all that’s left of where once the Divine Presence of God dwelt among His people Israel. It is also a symbol of hope in the coming of Messiah, the redemption of Israel (which doesn’t mean quite the same thing in Judaism as it does in Christianity), and the return of hope, life, and peace for the Jewish people and in fact, for all the nations of the Earth.

If it also happens to be the site of where the Christ will rebuild the Temple and establish his reign as our King, shouldn’t we at least try to respect it’s holiness? I know that in Christianity, we consider each believer to be a “Temple” containing the Holy Spirit, and we tend to look at ourselves as replacements for the physical Temple, but this “human Temple” imagery doesn’t preclude the future existence of a Third Temple. We tend to think that something is either this or that, left or right, one or the other, as if we are computers communicating in binary language, but since we’re dealing with God here, is it too difficult to believe we can be (metaphorically) a “Temple” and the physical Temple will one day be rebuilt by Messiah? Is it too much to ask for both?

20 thoughts on “Messiah and the Temple of God”

  1. I most definitely believe the (physical) Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem. In fact, I also believe that the sacrifices will be reinstated.during the millennial period. Pastor Randy

  2. Glad to hear that, Pastor (another topic for one of our discussions). There’s a fellow on Facebook (I “promote” my blog in an number of venues) saying that I’m denying the grace of Christ and the hope of the resurrection by suggesting a third physical Temple, since the crucifixion was a completely sufficient sacrifice and the resurrection is supposed to be “the Temple.” This is why we all need to talk to one another and to be willing to explore ideas as they present themselves. Who’s to say how God will teach us what He wants us to learn and understand?

  3. Great article, amazing that some of that even had to be stated. As to the Temple / Wall, I’d seen that comment when it hit your FB page and I was honestly appalled, I truly can’t imagine people “trashing” the Temple, especially people that are so called Christians. Not that I feel we / they should place the area on a pedestal hence making a “god” out of the area itself, but the knowledge of God’s presence having resided there, and the fact that Jesus had been there would seem to (or should) inspire awe, and certainly respect. Unfortunately there’s a callous & flippant American attitude that seems especially present in Christianity, so these things don’t surprise me to much.

    On a personal level I can say that I likely had more respect & awe for God prior to becoming a Christian (at age 26) then most Christians have today, including myself. I don’t know what it is, or how to explain it but we have somehow in Christianity “lost” that “Fear of God”, the awe, respect, and honor that He so deserves. I imagine that a lot of it stems from much of the warm fuzzy feel good movement that makes Him a big Teddy Bear like “daddy”, additionally making it far more about what He can do for us, then us doing anything for Him. Society in general has lost it’s manners, and seems even more evident in the Church today. Maybe Catholics being an acception? All the pomp, circumstance, and structure of their assemblies may cause a reverance. By and large a part of what really got me “digging deeper” in my Faith Walk was the realization of how casual & lame the “church” seemed toward the faith. As if we’ve lost sight of the great value of what Christ did for us, and what is offered through Him.

    To clarify, before Christ I had NO religious affiliation other than born & raised a non practicing Catholic, if bingo counts then I went to several “services” with my mom, oh, and a few Octoberfests too! BUT, I’ve always, always believed in God, never doubted His existence. Granted, I didn’t live for Him or the laws that He stood for, but, I believed and “knew” I’d be in trouble before him one day. I didn’t have the understanding of Christ and what He did, and what it meant until 1992, when I “surrendered!” gladly, willingly, and lovingly! Praise God for His grace. I’d also reached a point in the last few years that I “knew” something was “lacking” from the Bible / Biblical knowledge, and that was any trace of Judaism, hence I began digging. I think realizing that so many of the reformers we’re Anti-Semites, (as we’re many who led up to that point), including Constantine, I knew that surely none of them ever interviewed, sought or contacted a Jew for insight in translation. it seems to me that culture, context, and customs would be an obvious list of things to help in translation. Praise God that the Salvation message came through clearly, but I feel that a lot was lost to the “westernization” of the initial translation(s). Sorry to ramble, got a little carried away.
    Sincerely,
    Jimm Bacon

  4. Great article, amazing that some of that even had to be stated.

    Thanks, Jimm. Actually, I can understand very well that it has to be stated because no one is born knowing this. Many believers are taught from a certain perspective or tradition that doesn’t take the awe of God or the thought that Jews could revere a particular place as Holy into account. Most of us in the Protestant church don’t think of any particular place as being Holy, except maybe the sanctuaries in our churches, but if you truly believed the Kotel was all that was left of the Temple of God where His Divine Presence once inhabited, how would you feel about it?

    How did Jacob feel?

    Jacob left Beer-sheba, and set out for Haran. He came upon a certain place and stopped there for the night, for the sun had set. Taking one of the stones of that place, he put it under his head and lay down in that place. He had a dream; a stairway was set on the ground and its top reached to the sky, and angels of God were going up and down on it. And the Lord was standing beside him and He said, “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac: the ground on which you are lying I will assign to you and to your offspring. Your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you and your descendants. Remember, I am with you: I will protect you wherever you go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.” Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is present in this place, and I did not know it!”

    Genesis 28:10-16 (JPS Tanakh)

    Jewish tradition says that this was the site of the Temple Mount where eventually Solomon would build the First Temple. I can’t say with certainty, but what if there are certain locations, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for instance, where God really did put His Name? Granted, the idea is supernatural and even mystical, but then, to believe and have faith in an infinite God and Creator, we must believe in things that are well beyond human understanding. We must also believe that such incomprehensible things must intersect with our own physical existence. That was probably what the experience of God giving the Torah at Sinai in the presence of millions of Israelites was like. That may also have been what it was like to be a witness to Jesus teaching by the shores of the Galilee.

    Once we learn to love God, we proceed hopefully.

  5. Although the Jews may have believed the temple was “Holy” they did not always treat it so. They hated the one who was “greater than the temple”. They hate his followers too (who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit).

    “Many believers are taught from a certain perspective or tradition that doesn’t take the awe of God or the thought that Jews could revere a particular place as Holy into account.”

    Perhaps we were taught that from the bible itself. So many accounts listed where Israel lacked proper reverence. One example: “And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”

    If the Jews revered the temple as “Holy” why did they make it a den of thieves?

    Now, there is no physical temple at all due to a desolate house from a trampling underfoot and murder of Messiah Yeshua. I just can’t believe in an “awe of G-d” in people who were calling out mercilessly for the death of G-d’s son. or in those who spit upon his followers, curse the son in their teachings and prayers, etc.

    Today, the Ruach haKodesh dwells in the body of believers. I revere the temple of the Holy Spirit. I praise G-d for “the Church” indwelt by the Ruach haKodesh….. and look forward to the restoration and salvation of all Israel. (May they repent so they can be forgiven and washed clean)

  6. Steven…while certain Jews (of the time) cried out for the death of Yeshua and stood (perhaps) alongside the Roman Invaders … NOT all Jews of the day did likewise. Thousands followed Yeshua… One should not use a paint brush with a wide swoop to vilify all Jews . On the contrasting side are Christians REALLY perfect in all ways? Even those who ‘speak in tongues’, profess to have ‘the spirit of G-d dwelling within’ and profess to ‘know’ so much more than any Jew… Messianic believer or otherwise. Are they in a position to call the kettle black?
    Church History reveal a terrible tale of murder, rape, theft, forced conversions and much more. I for one would be on my knees seeking Revelation from G-d as to why Jews don’t get too excited about the Christian Testimony. I very often pray for Christians and my words are ‘forgive them Lord, for they know not what they have done to my people, Israel.” I wish Christian faith allowed for its followers to exhibit kindness, an attitude of mercy, an attitude of love…all those things that come under, Do unto Others….
    I am sure you mean well…but, “”May they repent so they can be forgiven and washed clean””
    Oh dear…you bring tears to my eyes.

    1. Pat, my comment was not intended to give “equal time” to the evils of “the Church”. Does that make what I said any less true?

      FYI, the Jews rejected Yeshua long before any “church history” of rapes, etc. I’m pretty sure you would agree that those who murdered, raped, etc. were not followers of Yeshua and did not have the Holy Spirit. And…..shame on you for suggesting such!

      You said “I am sure you mean well…but, “”May they repent so they can be forgiven and washed clean””
      Oh dear…you bring tears to my eyes.”

      Something wrong with repentance, receiving forgiveness and having white robes washed in the blood of Messiah Yeshua, receiving eternal life from him?

      I can tell you the alternative…..Walking the broad path that leads to eternal destruction.

  7. Pat, my comment was not intended to give “equal time” to the evils of “the Church”. Does that make what I said any less true?

    Steven, I can only imagine that if someone said, “All Christians are evil because of such and thus,” you’d be the first to defend the church, both in the present and historically. However, we know that there is no such thing as all Christians being the same and all churches and Christian traditions being the same, especially across 2,000 years of history.

    And yet you continually, in multiple blogs in their comments sections, paint all Jews everywhere with the same, broad brush, even though contextually, only some Jews were guilty of, in this case, turning the Temple into “a den of thieves.” All of Christ’s Jewish followers revered the Temple. During the early chapters of the book of Acts, in the months and years that followed the Master’s ascension, Peter, John, and the rest of the Jewish Apostles met at the Temple to daven during the set times of prayer. They continued to offer sacrifices, and Paul even paid the price of four men at the Temple who were under a vow.

    And there is no evidence that the destruction of the Temple had anything to do with “the Jews rejecting Jesus.” Thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of Jews were devoted disciples of Jesus up until and after the destruction of Herod’s Temple. Your conclusions are not supported by history or the Bible.

    I have no reliable statistics about how many Jews are devoted disciples of Jesus today, both within the church as “Hebrew Christians” and within an authentic Messianic context, living as halalaic Jews and obeying the mitzvot, but worldwide, probably thousands, tens of thousands, or, if you include those in the church, perhaps more.

    Are you attacking them as well?

    I know the idea of whether or not the Temple will be rebuilt when the Messiah returns is controvertial, but for all the reasons I stated in my blog post including Bible prophesy, I believe that is one of the things he will do.

    Pat said: “Oh dear…you bring tears to my eyes.”

    Steven said: “Something wrong with repentance, receiving forgiveness and having white robes washed in the blood of Messiah Yeshua, receiving eternal life from him?

    “I can tell you the alternative…..Walking the broad path that leads to eternal destruction.”

    That came dangerously close to a personal attack against Pat, Steven.

    I am going to say this once. If you try to attack people on a personal level, I will remove your comments containing any attacks. If you continue to be contentious after that, I’ll ban you. Devotion to Christ is no reason to attack his people Israel, even down to the level of one individual. You can disagree with Pat, me, or anyone else, but spitefulness is uncalled for and against the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    If you want to talk with me more freely about all this, please email me.

    1. James, what I said was not personal to Pat or you at all. Simply put, there are only 2 paths. I guess I will have to start every comment with some pro Israel statement like…

      “Before I say ANYTHING let me be clear. I totally believe there are some believing Jews who are righteous. I believe those who accepted Messiah Yeshua were saved. Out of the millions of Jews many thousands accepted Messiah. I am not against them.

      Now, you or Pat did not answer my question. Is there something wrong with repentance, accepting Yeshua the Messiah and Son of G-d, being set free and obtaining eternal life? Is it wrong to bring up the alternative? ALL the prophets including Moses, John the Baptist, the Apostles and Paul brought it up. Is it now a secret?

      How is that a personal attack? Is Pat not a believer?

  8. Look at it from another point of view, Steven. Are you angry or upset that some people in general don’t repent and accept Jesus? Are you angry at the unsaved of the world, or do you have compassion on them? If you can feel compassion on the unsaved of the world, why must you be so hostile toward the non-believing Jews?

    As far as a personal attack, I’ll let Pat decide how she received your last comment to her, but I’ll leave my statement on the table, so to speak.

    1. “Look at it from another point of view, Steven. Are you angry or upset that some people in general don’t repent and accept Jesus? Are you angry at the unsaved of the world, or do you have compassion on them? If you can feel compassion on the unsaved of the world, why must you be so hostile toward the non-believing Jews?”

      Is the truth hostile to non-believing Jews? I’ll answer with scripture:

      To Ezekiel G-d said: “But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.
      Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.
      As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house”.

      Yeshua said: “And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

      I am not “hostile to non-believing Jews”. It is non-believing Jews who are hostile to G-d and the Torah.

  9. If I forget you, O Jerusalem,
    let my right hand forget its skill!
    Let my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth,
    if I do not remember you,
    if I do not set Jerusalem
    above my highest joy!

    Psalm 137:5-6

    He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

    Matthew 15:24

    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!

    Luke 13:34

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

    Romans 1:16

    Steven, even though Jesus characterized Jerusalem as “the city that kills the prophets,” he didn’t hate them,, he longed to gather her children together “as a hen gathers her brood under her wings.” That’s an image of affection and deep love. They, or at least many of them, were not willing. Today, many aren’t willing, but that doesn’t mean Jesus doesn’t love them. The Gospel message of Jesus loving the Jew (which historically, the church has morphed into one hating Judaism…but that’s changing rapidly), was always to go to them first. It still is.

    If Jesus was “rejected by the Jews,” it caused him great pain and anguish because he loves his people Israel. Why can’t you?

    1. “If Jesus was “rejected by the Jews,” it caused him great pain and anguish because he loves his people Israel. Why can’t you?”

      If you REALLY love Jews you would not object to Jesus teachings about those who reject Christ. The only message from G-d is consistent throughout the Old and New Testaments. I believe I am loving Israel. It is not me or Messiah or G-d or the prophets who do not love the Jews. It is the Jews who hate the Son of God, hate G-d, hate G-d’s words and prophets.

      Here is a teaching of love from the Son of the Living G-d to the Jew first:

      ” But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

      He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

      If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law,

      They hated me without a cause.”

  10. Oh, I forgot to mention those Jews who did NOT reject the one sent from above. Those who DID and DO hear his voice…..the sheep of his pasture who follow him wherever he goes. They are alive and well loved.

    However; of the dead, those who refuse to hear……Yeshua said “Let the dead bury the dead”.

    The living will follow Yeshua: “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

  11. Steven, you’ve shown great compassion for this person and for these people. If you can show compassion for them but not for the Jews, then you don’t have a problem with people who sin and fall short of the glory of God, you have problems with Jewish people.

    Are you so quick to pronounce death on unrepentant people who are not Jewish but who are like those you mention in the two links I posted here?

    1. James, I keep trying to show you that compassion and mercy can not exist in a vacuum. Where compassion and mercy are, there is justice.

      Imagine that G-d spoke the Torah with commandments and promised blessing for keeping them and cursing for not keeping them. He sends prophets to tell them what is the situation and what will happen when they stray from the law. They do not listen and kill them. After a great number of them he sends from heaven his son to speak on his behalf. He ONLY says what he was told to say. They do not listen, they stop their ears, they kill the son and all that DID hear his voice. What will happen to them for refusing? Will they find mercy? What did Jesus say?

      ” For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.”

      I get the feeling you want me to apologize for G-d that he sent Moses and the Prophets and Jesus and the Apostles with that message. I can have compassion and mercy but ultimately what happens to these men is NOT up to me. However; Yeshua spoke plainly what will happen to them. I am not ashamed of Yeshua Messiah and I am not ashamed of his words.

      Now James, you either don’t believe these men spoke the truth, or you do not know what they said, or you think it is up to us to change it. However; the truth is that no one comes to the Son unless G-d draws them. It is for US (Jew and Gentile who hear the Son and believe in him and obey him) to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom but IT IS NOT for them to understand.

      “And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.”

      I can not show compassion and mercy on those who do not receive the Son and his words on good ground beyond warning them and loving them and hoping for a change. But, it is not up to me. But, I can warn them and show them the way out of their mess. There is no life in the Torah without it’s author who is Yeshua Messiah who restores the Kingdom. Torah without Yeshua is death.

      2 Chronicles 7:14
      “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

    2. “Are you so quick to pronounce death on unrepentant people who are not Jewish but who are like those you mention in the two links I posted here?”

      James, those who do not believe are dead already, Jew and Gentile alike. Can you change that James? The truth is that if mercy and compassion could save these unbelievers, such was shown by G-d sending his son and the exclamation point at the end of his message….the cross of Messiah.

      John 8:24
      I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

      John 3:18
      He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

      To the Jew first, then to the Gentile.

  12. So Steven, you’re just going to ignore what I said about you showing mercy to people who, as you say, were already dead in their sins. Too bad, because I happen to think that those two blog posts reveal the finest qualities about you. Qualities you fail to show when you comment on toher people’s blogs. Sadly, your mercy is limited, but then, there are plenty of Christians who couldn’t or wouldn’t show mercy to those you have shown kindness to.

    It is said, though the source escapes me at the moment, that God created the world using His attributes of mercy and justice (this is midrash, so don’t take me literally). He did not create the world with only justice, because then, none of us could survive. He did not create the world with only mercy because then there would be no accountability for sin. He could not create the world with exactly equal amounts of mercy and justice because even under those circumstances, humanity would be condemned. The only way that we could live in a world created by God, benefit from mercy but be accountable for sin, was for God to create the world with just slightly more of His attribute of mercy than His attribute of justice.

    Yes, I do believe in ultimate accountability, I just don’t think I’m the instrument of His justice. If I have to err, I’ll err on the side of mercy and God will judge me when it’s all over.

    He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

    Micah 6:8 (ESV)

    For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

    James 2:13 (ESV)

    We tend to translate the Hebrew word “tzedakah” as “charity” but in fact doing charity is also doing justice, for it is just that we provide for the needs of those who are less fortunate than us, and particularly the needy of the House of Israel.

    1. James,

      Even if I could change the word of G-d, I would not because I believe it is perfect. I know for sure that what mercy is available will come in Yeshua Messiah. Those who refuse his correction will not find mercy. Maybe from you, but not from me. I do not believe I am not more righteous nor more merciful nor more loving than Yeshua is.

      You either do not understand the teachings of our King, or you believe you are more righteous and merciful and loving than G-d. Or Both.

      “For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.”

  13. You either do not understand the teachings of our King, or you believe you are more righteous and merciful and loving than G-d. Or Both.

    I wish that you’d actually read what I write, but I suppose that’s too much to ask for. I’m going to stop debating you now since we’re both wasting our time, so you can spend your energy doing something else. But the next time you look in a mirror, take a minute and ask yourself… “Do I condemn the Jews en masse for the glory of God or for my own glory?”

    I know you think you know the answer…but I have my doubts.

    Peace. Out.

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