…these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
The Sovereign LORD declares—
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
“I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered.” –Isaiah 56:7-8
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.” –Matthew 8:10-11
According to the prophets, the Feast of Booths celebrates a time when all nations will ascend to Jerusalem bearing tribute to King Messiah and celebrating the festival. In that day, all nations will ascend to His throne in Jerusalem in order to celebrate the Festival of Booths (Tabernacles). Obviously, this is a very important festival for disciples of Messiah today.
The Weekly eDrash
“A Tabernacle of Glory over Jerusalem”
First Fruits of Zion commentary on Sukkot
I’ve had my doubts.
No, I don’t doubt the word of God but on the other hand, given the division between different denominations of Christians and particularly between Christians and Jews, I wonder how we will all be able to sit down at the same table together “at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven” and rejoice in each other and in the Messiah?
Last week I hit a speed bump in my pursuit of the Ger Toshav as a possible model for a relationship between Christians and Jews, and today I was reminded of the state of discomfort and even enmity some Jews feel toward Christians based on this “wall photo” that was shared on Facebook. Add to that some of the comments from Jewish participants about Christianity:
“Christianity has to realize its error in deviating from what the original sect taught and practices before that connection can be made, before that door can be entered through. Only then will hope be found.” –said by S
“I’m saying that Judaism shouldn’t centralize the messiah. And in my opinion when it does, it’s a mistake. Christianity and the holocaust are results of such a mistake.” –said by A
“There are 2 paths in serving Creator: 613 commandments for Jews and Noahide Laws for gentiles. Thats the ideal modality. When gentiles invent their own religions or Jews don’t follow their commandments, they keep the world from reaching perfection which is the hallmark of the Messianic Age.” –said by V
…the reason you give for Christians accept Jews is impossible. a Jew is what he is. Why should he give up to a lesser level of spirituallity?
Your reason for Jews accept Christians, isn’t exactly that, but it has a reason… a reason found in Torah. As long as a gentiles thinks that a man is God, or that there are more than 1 God, or that the Torah given BY GOD to Moshe in Sinai isn’t valid, then a Jew cannot accept it. That’s Idolatry.
I, as a Jew don’t think that gentiles are lesser human beings!!!! NOT AT ALL!!! A Jew who call himself Jew but commits lashon haRa and proclaims hate, is a lesser human being than a gentile with a good heart for humanity. –said by X
From mainstream Judaism’s point of view, it is reasonable to expect this level of response in believing that Christians have misappropriated the concept of Messiah and bent it in very non-Jewish directions. But it also precludes any possibility of a Christian entering a synagogue setting (where it is known he or she is a Christian), learning of the wisdom of the sages, and even being a tiny part of the community, when that Christian’s basic faith would be seen as an affront. Both Jews and Christians pursue God in His vast and majestic Heavens, and yet we cannot build a simple bridge between our two worlds on here on Earth.
I can truly see how Jesus could say “when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8)
And yet the prophet says this:
This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’” –Zechariah 8:23
The Jews rely on the promises of God that “every man will sit beneath his own vine and fig tree and none will make them afraid” (Micah 4:4) while the Christians rely on the grace of Jesus and the word of the Apostle Paul when he said, “in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:37-39).
But each group believes God is speaking to only them and is excluding the other (and all others).
While Sukkot is a season of hope, in the present age it is also a season of despair, for while we (or at least Jews and those few Christians who will build a sukkah this year) are supposed to generously invite all guests into our sukkah for a meal and fellowship for the sake of God, how many people and groups will not be on the “approved” list?
Like Jonah, we know the word and the will of God and yet we still seek to run away because it is against our human will to fulfill that word. God turned Jonah away from his mistaken path and delivered him to the great city to complete the job God gave to him, but how will God do that with us? It could begin with a single invitation into our homes and lives of someone we would otherwise not have considered letting in. It could begin with a Christian family accepting a single Jew into fellowship and the breaking of bread. It could begin with a Jewish family inviting a single Christian into their sukkah to enjoy a meal and the prayers. The question is, can it begin now, or must we wait for the Messiah to come (for the Jews) and come again (for the Christians)?
I’m not writing this for you who are “already onboard” with seeking a unity between Christians and Jews, but to those who seek to shelter themselves within their own groups and push away the rest of the world and the rest of the people God created. Is there a delight in committing one act of friendship and graciousness; an act of pure and simple love, not for your sake or mine, but for the sake of God?
G-d has many delights:
The delight that comes from a pure and simple act of love.
Greater than that, the delight that comes from an act of beauty sparkling in the darkness.
Greater than that, the delight when a child who has run away returns with all her heart.
Delight lies at the essence of all that is.
-Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
Based on letters and talks of the Rebbe
Rabbi M. M. Schneerson
The Rabbi describes a world of people and ideals that does not exist, at least not yet. The hope that we all have in the Messiah is that one day, we will all be able to live in this world and be at peace with God, with all our neighbors, and most of all, be at peace within our own hearts. We will see that peace someday. But we have a very long way to go until “someday” gets here.
11 thoughts on “The World that Doesn’t Exist”
We cannot take lightly the fact that “in the name of Jesus” many atrocities have been committed against the Jewish people. I would claim that those weren’t “Christians” at all. But that is really no help to the Jewish person.
Many atrocities have been committed against “Christians” by so called other “Christians”.
So, whom should we trust? With whom can we fellowship?
This has been a question I have had to ask in my life. So far, the answer is both hard and easy. First of all one cannot choose the way of bitterness and anger. At least not if one desires to grow spiritually. That’s the easy part.
The hard part is realizing that there are those “inside your faith” who are not part of your faith. I think one of the enemy’s greatest tactics (and very successful) is to use people inside one’s faith to create havoc. It causes disbelief to grow both inside and outside the fellowship. “If that is what a Christian is, I don’t want any part of it.” “If that is what a Jew is, I don’t want any part of it.”
And this is where the hard part comes in. Because we all want to feel safer when someone is proclaiming our “doctrine”, our “theology”; but the truth is, they may be in the garage, but that doesn’t make them a car. So what can we trust? What do we look for?
Jesus said it best, “by their fruits, you shall know them.” People who hang with God have certain characteristics: love, joy, and peace being at the top of the list. I think if we find ourselves in fellowship with people who exhibit those characteristics, we will find ourselves in fellowship with people who love G0d.
At this season, when we remember that G0d has come down to fellowship with us, I think it is good to find those who know that fellowship and be with them whether they be Jew or Christian.
No argument there, Dree. Tomorrow’s “morning meditation” will define in greater detail why I’m pursuing Christian/Jewish fellowship with such emphasis, as well as how I now anticipate the result.
“The question is, can it begin now, or must we wait for the Messiah to come (for the Jews) and come again (for the Christians)?”
Today, it can only happen on a VERY small scale (really on one on one basis). The prophets predict the time, in the who-knows-how-distant future, when ALL nations will gather to battle against Jerusalem, wanting to destroy it. This means that the hatred against the Jews is only bound to simmer and grow exponentially over time for it to culminate into the greatest all out attempt at near extermination (I believe this time it will fail). The ultimate reconciliation between Jews and Gentiles (as peoples) will need to wait until some time after that when the nations’ rage is contained, Israel repents and meets her Messiah and everyone acknowledges the G-d of Israel.
At the risk of seeming selfish, right now, the only scale I’m asking for is on the level of a single individual.
I realize this is an old meditation (and I wasn’t reading here at that time), but do you have any idea what “A” meant by saying “…Judaism shouldn’t centralize the Messiah.….” — I see, as followed in the quotation, what that person thinks results from doing so, but do you know what said centralizing is supposed or said to be?
I’m thinking it is the view that Messianic times would revolve around a Messiah figure rather than only concepts (such as of morality and one God). That would be my perception tentatively from the wording above. I will look into it, to see if that is in any literature. I, myself, think Messianic hope will be centralized in some way in the Land of Israel (even if it were not to be centralized on a figure). [Again, this idea that comes to my mind as I think this through is something additionally into which I will try to look.] But then I don’t see how that can be conceived to happen without THE Messiah.
I believe I can interpret for you, Marleen — I’m reasonably sure that what “A” meant by “centralize the Messiah” was to focus an entire religious perspective (not merely a messianic era) on a human figure, rather than on HaShem. Even if this figure is imbued with divine powers — and especially if he is deemed an image or a part of G-d Himself — the result can only detract from HaShem in some fashion. Since Judaism does insist on the untainted unity of HaShem, any alternative religious perspective of this sort, when held by a much larger body of people, will tend to become overbearing and even persecutory toward the adamant minority Jews for whom only HaShem can be “central”.
I offer such interpretation fairly confidently, because I’ve encountered the argument before about the necessity of a “Christ-centered faith”, which was re-labeled in a supposedly MJ forum as “Messiah-centered”. At that time also, I attempted to point out that this notion was a Christian notion (or Hebrew-Christian, given the terminological make-over), rather than a Jewish (or MJ) view.
That makes sense, ProclaimLiberty. I have heard the push to be Christ-centered too. It can even become rather devoid of meaning, like saying the magic words (while there are also people who live rich, and not sad or shallow, faiths holding to the idea). It’s interesting “Judaism does insist on the untainted unity of HaShem….” Thanks, PL.
Also, I found this (searching “centralizing the messiah”):
Wow. This one is over three years old. You have a habit of bringing up topics which I’ve long sense forgotten about, Marleen. Glad PL could answer your question.
Oddly enough, the other old one (even older than this one by months) that I posted in on the same day led to an article that had originally been written in 2011 and then was updated, by the editors of the site (an archaeology magazine website if I recall correctly), in 2014 (which I didn’t notice until after). [I’m not sure what part of that article was and is the updated part. But the article was interesting.]